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Projection mapped films: an interview with Lori Ersolmaz

Lori Ersolmaz

Lori Ersolmaz has a long and wide-ranging, multi-disciplinary career, including working as an educator, photographer, and documentary filmmaker. In 2014, she became interested in making poetry films. Public art engagement is a very important aspect of her practice, and her poetry film work has expanded into the arena of immersive experiences and projection mapping. Good Natured is a film series encompassing “kindness to animals, nature, the environment and humanity using poetry and poetic essays to address climate concerns”. Since 2020 it has been screened in a range of “immersive 2-and-3D public art exhibitions projected on buildings, objects and in pop-up gallery installations”.

How did your Good Natured Project and working with Mercato (the retail and restaurant venue in which many of the Good Natured films are featured) come about? Did the ideas come first, was it a response to a commission, or something else?

Shortly after moving to Florida from the northeast I began to see the effects of climate change on the Everglades and water quality on the west coast of Florida. White beaches with clear water from the Gulf of Mexico that had been teeming with birds and wildlife mysteriously became engulfed in a blue green algae outbreak and a familiar sign of fish kills. I took an out-of-town guest to the beach one day and as we set up our chairs I immediately had trouble breathing and started coughing. I heard other people coughing, too, and was confused about what was happening. I asked a couple walking by why people were coughing and they educated us about blue green algae. We left immediately as it was impossible to continue breathing-in the fumes. After going to quite a few public meetings with officials and learning more about the problem I realized I needed to do something.

Prior to moving to Florida I owned a production company and worked with non-profit organizations supporting advocacy and policy initiatives. While my experience in short documentaries has influenced me, I instead decided to take a different approach and created Good Natured, a film poetry series about climate change and environmental issues. In early 2020 I began pitching ideas to nonprofits and arts organizations about projection mapping my films as pop-up installations. Projection mapping is a technique using projectors to project media onto city buildings and other objects, transforming flat surfaces into dynamic visual displays at night. The people I spoke with were interested in the project and suggested I create mock-ups so others would understand what projection mapping was. Then the COVID-19 pandemic hit.

Once the pandemic hit I immediately switched gears from explaining and pitching to creating. The first three films were based on poems in an anthology, From the Ashes, edited by CS Hughes, about the Australian bushfires in 2019. I was affected by so many animals who lost their lives in those fires, and chose a few poems for my climate and environmental concept.

In August of 2020 I approached the marketing director of a large mixed-use shopping mall near my home. There were quite a few empty retail spaces at the time and I noticed one with community-based art displayed in the windows, so I had a feeling they would be open to my project. While Covid-19 shut down a lot of social activities, the situation provided me with a unique opportunity to launch my project. The marketing director, who is a progressive thinker and poetry fan, provided me with a pop-up retail space pro bono for National Art & Humanities Month in October 2020. The 1500-square-foot space was absolutely perfect, as it had multiple 3-D objects in the space which provided a cool look, and there was an excellent location in the window for projections on the nights that the space wasn’t open. On the weekend there was the full, open-door, walk-in installation, and during the week the projector was moved to the window without sound. The reception was positive and provided the documentation needed for others to see what projection mapping looked like in an indoor space.

You’ve got a long track record of making poetry films. At what point did you come across projection mapping?

I learned about projection mapping years before I started creating film poetry. Around 2008 I was considering how to use projection mapping to bring more people together for grassroots advocacy around addiction and prison reform issues. I wanted to show short documentaries in at-risk neighborhoods like Trenton and Asbury Park in New Jersey. It never got off the ground. Projection mapping has been on my radar for a long time, but I never had an opportunity to develop it until a few years ago.

Did you immediately see its potential for poetry film – either in general, or specifically for your own work?

This is an interesting question. I began experimenting with the genre in 2014 as an additional creative outlet and hadn’t considered projection mapping the film poems at that time. However, subconsciously I may have kept it in the back of my mind. Once I moved to Florida and decided to focus my creative expression solely on poetic films, the projection mapping became a major aspect of the work because I wanted to reach a wider audience of people with eco-poetry. I also wanted to amplify the work in my local community. Making an impact and encouraging citizens to stay engaged in democracy has been an overarching theme throughout my career. I think of projection mapping as a creative distribution system, like a billboard or advertising. Having a strategy, as well as understanding the place and audience are important in making public art, especially locally.

Lori Ersolmaz – Earth Day 2022, Florida

What excites you about projection mapping?

I’m willing to take risks at this point in my life. My creative mantra for projection mapping: highly experimental and imaginative, learn-as-I-go, and a high tolerance for the unknown and for failure. Projection mapping provides an unusual delivery system. The poetic films are the content. They have to work together and for me, while there’s anxiety attached to a high rate of failure, it tends to drive me to solve problems. Not everything works, and technically there are many variables. It requires thinking quickly on your feet. With 3-D objects there’s distortion, which makes me think about how to successfully create content to fit the spaces. Each location has different technical issues in need of resolution, literally and figuratively. I’m not simply creating images for projection, but meaning-making that offers multiple layers of thought process for the audience and also reads on the objects. Hearing people’s perceptions about the work can be satisfying, especially when whatever it is I’m aiming for with the content, they totally get, or they come up with an astute comment I hadn’t even noticed. Kids love it and I enjoy that as well.

Do you feel projection mapping contributes to the public engagement aspect of your practice?

Absolutely. I specifically create the work to be in the public sphere and for the public good. The entire reason I’m creating public art exhibitions is to talk with people one-on-one who I would not meet otherwise. I decided not to wait for a museum curator to choose my work for installation. I’m confident about the quality of my films and I have a strategy to engage people. So, out to the streets I go with my Poetic Films.

Lori Ersolmaz – Earth Day 2021, Florida

How much do you think a more immersive experience contributes to drawing people in to watch poetry film who might not otherwise experience it (over and above other ways of presenting public art)?

People are curious, and since the popularity of the Van Gogh immersive installations, the technology has credibility and people get it. My audience isn’t paying admission (not yet) to my installations, so they can decide whether they are interested in the experience or not. Most people have no idea what film poetry even is. I’m educating them about a medium they aren’t aware of and they get to experience it in a unique way. If there’s a 20’x20′ dome in the middle of a public square, lit up with images and a voice, people want to know what’s happening inside. Sometimes they’re unsure, but once they go inside they more often than not appreciate it.

Lori Ersolmaz – projection mapped dome interior

Is there a novelty factor at work or does projection mapping really deliver a more engaging experience?

Projection has been around for quite a long time. It’s as novel as what has always made up the arts and sciences. Since the time of the Lumière Brothers films, people are captivated by moving images and cinematic storytelling. Spoken word poems are small stories and when combined with moving images in unusual spaces and objects there’s a unique and mesmerizing appeal which I don’t believe is simply a novelty. It’s a device to get people to see and hear in a different way than at a movie theatre or at home watching TV. It’s immersive, intimate, larger-than-life and allows for personal interpretation and meaning-making. Some people will only watch for a minute and others will re-watch a 5-minute installation repeatedly for 20 or more minutes.

How do you make your approach to public organizations in order to set up your events? How do you ‘sell’ your ideas to them? How difficult is it to get them on board with your ideas? How receptive are they about projection mapping?

Like anything else, there’s an audience type, depending on the community and location. Let’s take Florida for instance: in Miami projection mapping is common, there’s the Van Gogh immersive exhibit and Art Basel takes place annually. The Wynwood Art District is known for experimental and emerging artists. There’s an East Coast, hip, international crowd and vibe. Miami, and towns near it, have a long history of arts and culture. One can be more outrageous and push the envelope content-wise.

I live on the southwest coast of Florida where the audience is different. It’s an affluent, sophisticated community and while there are also international tourists, there are ‘snowbirds’ who come down during the winter months and return to their hometown around April. There are fewer full-time residents and it’s considered a vacation resort area, although that has been changing in light of shifts due to the pandemic. And not a lot stays open past 10:00 pm. From an arts and culture standpoint, the community takes a slower approach to green-lighting public arts projects. Receptivity depends on the perception of elected officials and business owners in the town or community. Recently, the city underwent an arts and culture study that is in support of arts as an economic stimulus for tourism. When a city spends money and undergoes that type of study with community feedback, more opportunities tend to slowly grow.

My approach is simply to understand my audience and what will appeal to them. I create multidisciplinary artworks and installations with a non-threatening approach. I select classic and contemporary eco-poetry that I feel will resonate with the community and people of all ages. In the past two years, I’ve had five installations and over 1,000 people have been engaged, receptive and appreciative of my work. Visitors and residents support what I’m doing and have told me they think I should have more projects/presentations throughout the city.

The reason I’ve had success with Mercato—the retail and residential mall—is because they are a privately owned development entity. I have found what makes projection mapping more difficult in a city is that the elected officials and the owners of the real estate have to provide permits and authorize imagery to be mapped onto the buildings. I am slowly in the process of expanding to other areas and pitching presentations. It takes a tremendous amount of patience and perseverance—like anything else.

What have been the biggest difficulties in the logistics and technology side of installation/projection mapping?

There are quite a few technology and logistics challenges to consider well in advance of the events. I spend a great deal of time in testing stages. I test the image quality numerous times especially when the objects are oddly shaped or will be projected on a darker color or highly texturized surface.

Here are some things to consider:

  1. Equipment.

The #1 challenge is the projectors. Depending on the project, you’ll either need short or longer throw projectors. I had a 3500 square foot space where I used ten projectors, including one outside. The equipment can be expensive to own or to rent, and in fact, this could be the #1 deal breaker for creating an event. The more ambient light, the more lumens the projector needs to clearly see the image, especially when projecting from 20-30 ft away.

  1. Sunset/twilight/ambient light.

Depending on what time of year it is, I have to wait until sunset/twilight to begin the tests and presentations, especially if the buildings are white, as that reflects the light for longer. Then there’s the ambient light from light posts for wayfinding and illuminating the streets and sidewalks. This requires coordination to decide which lights are casting too much light/shadows onto the subject/objects. When you are in a public space there are code provisions for lighting so it’s important to work with organizations and businesses to ensure there won’t be a code violation.

  1. Distortion and pairing the right content for the object being mapped.

Depending on the building scapes/facades or objects being mapped it requires a tremendous amount of testing out the imagery and then deciding whether it’s effective for the final presentation. What looks great on a flat screen or wall may not read in a dome shape, or highly angled architecture. More now than ever I need to consider these things while I’m shooting.

  1. Time/energy.

I have to wait until sundown to see a result, even indoors when there are storefront windows. For indoor installations I create separate content for each projector/computer/device and then work on mapping to columns, walls and ceilings. Bigger space, more projectors and devices to map. When working in an outdoor space, unless there’s a budget to professionally install for outdoor weather conditions and securing the equipment, installations are put up and taken down in the same evening. Break-down is often under darkened conditions. An inside installation is better from the standpoint that once it’s up I only have to go around and turn-on/off the projectors and there’s less physical activity until total breakdown.

  1. Foot traffic and safety.

A high profile location and well trafficked area is critical. However, it also presents a problem: safety and security. Children love the installations and dance around all over the place. With every projector comes a laptop or other devices to play the media. Barriers need to be in place in a space with a lot of projectors and equipment so no one falls, tips or obstructs the image. Sometimes shadows and obstructions are part of the presentation, nonetheless, the space needs to be secured. Friends and students help with installations to ensure people don’t wander or walk on equipment. Putting on a presentation can be a high anxiety production. Staying alert, in-charge and directing the public are all important. In the end it can be a lot of fun and I’ve met some interesting people.

Protecting the equipment and the public from each other with barriers

Have you had to solve technical issues yourself or did you have support from the organizations you partnered with?

Since 2020 I have handled the technical issues mainly by myself with some support from partner organizations. In the beginning I wanted to learn projection mapping on my own and experiment with ideas and situations. As I began presentations, it was clear support from the organizations was needed. I’ve had support with cutting/dimming and sometimes adding ambient lighting. Barriers are supplied by the organizations and their crew help set them up. While one wouldn’t think of parking necessarily as an issue, for an outdoor install/break-down in the same night, parking spots nearest to the install location is a must, as there are many components to having a successful outdoor presentation in a heavily trafficked area. On occasion I get additional A/V equipment, and the organizations help out the most when it comes to marketing and social media. They already have leverage with PR and relationships they’ve built with their own customers or patrons. I have also had signage donated and typically security people are available in case a rowdy situation arises.

What do you have to consider about the use of sound in public spaces?

Sound depends on the size of the installation space indoors and whether it’s competing with outside and peripheral ambient sound like musicians and music from restaurants. When I’m projecting on a building outside I also need to consider the mixed use of public spaces. In Florida, people are dining outside all year long and they may not want to hear a poem with eerie sound effects and music on perpetual loop during their dinner. There’s a fine balance to take into consideration.

What are the things to think about with projection mapping and subtitles?

Projection mapping distorts and obscures typography and imagery in general and largely depends on the backdrop material. Text and subtitles are tricky. I use Madmapper and VPT 8 software which provides control mechanisms to adjust for angles and distortion. In the end it is trial-and-error to get it as good as possible, not perfect. I use typography sparingly unless I’m projecting on a more simple 2-D wall. The size of the type is important; large, bold/heavy typographic face projected onto a flat, simple and light colored surface works the best for me. Otherwise, it could become a mind-bending challenge.

What is your next projection mapping challenge? What are you working on at the moment?

I’m now at a point where I’d like to rely on a technical director for the mapping, especially as I expand. I prefer to focus on the creative filmmaking and less on the technical side of things. There’s an additional anxiety in managing to do both. I’ve been fortunate to live close to where I’ve created the installations. More travel time will be added as I venture out to other locations, which makes me careful in deciding how to expand. I’ve been toying with the idea of possibly starting a poetry chapter of the Florida State Poetry Association to collaborate with local poets to add humanities/language arts aspect to my events and presentations. I am in the process of creating animations from cyanotypes of algae and botanical plants. The animations will be abstract, and conceptually I believe this approach will be a great conversation starter to talk about water quality in a different way.

Overall, I enjoy creating the poetic films more than anything else. Second to that is engaging the public in a dialogue in unusual ways to help them connect to nature and become better ‘local’ stewards for nature and the environment. Projection mapping provides the space to do both.

Biography

Lori H. Ersolmaz is an award winning filmmaker who creates poetic films combining contemporary poems and creative writing as a tool/modality for meaning-making, especially related to critical analysis of social, political and cultural issues. Her work is influenced by Jungian psychology which is concentrated in depth psychology, inner work, the conscious and unconscious mind, archetypes, dreams, synchronicity and symbolism. Lori encourages the viewer to consider a personal and collective act of responsibility for the past, present and future. 

With over 20 years of multidisciplinary experience, Lori has worked with leaders from Fortune 500 corporations, nonprofit/governmental organizations and policy think-tanks on varied media in support of policy and advocacy initiatives. In 2014 she became interested in combining poetry and visual moving imagery to convey emotions and feelings as a social commentary. Born out of short documentary work, experimentation led to collaborating with poets and writers to create poetic films.

Her work has been seen in New York City at Anthology Film Archives, in Minneapolis at the Weisman Art Museum, and at International film festivals, events, pop-up exhibitions and street art installations held in Australia, Croatia, Italy, Greece, Mexico, Nepal, Slovakia, United Kingdom, United States and West Africa. Her work can also be seen in the digital online environment, including literary and visual journals. 

From 2011-2016 Lori was an adjunct professor at Rider University where she taught film and media studies courses. She also worked with youth media-makers, and won an award from the National Association of Media Literacy Education for working with youth and adults to analyze and make media. She has also been an Assistant Examiner for the International Baccalaureate program marking Collaborative Film Projects and Film Essays.

 Lori is an active social justice, education, health, environment and media reform advocate with a Master of Arts degree in Media Studies and Film from The New School, a university with a history of progressive thought and service to others.

“Embrace the happy accidents”: an interview with filmmaker Lori H. Ersolmaz

This is the 20th in a series of interviews with poets and remixers who have provided or worked with material from The Poetry Storehouse — a website which collects “great contemporary poems for creative remix.” This time we talk with Lori H. Ersolmaz.


1. Would you briefly describe the remix work you have done based on poems from The Poetry Storehouse?


LHE:
My first remix was with Claudia Serea’s poem, The Moon and I was first drawn to it because of the subject, but I also fell in love with Nic S.’s voice. Narration is an art, and the smooth, soulful, sometimes sensual quality of Sebastian’s voice touched me immediately.

I am in the process of finding my own film poetry voice. I’ve been making short documentary films for almost ten years, but I get great satisfaction from creating remixes. I love filming and collecting footage which now finds a home in my remixes. With each new piece I reach for an abstract expression using image and sound. The first remixes I produced were more literal than I wanted and I prefer playing with the material—molding and shaping it. I have always loved print collage and I’m trying to experiment similarly with video. I tend to embrace the happy accidents I sometimes make and interrogate them in multiple ways. Jim Murdoch’s poem As Is, again with Nic S.’s narration, allowed me the freedom to express and insert some film accidents. The Poetry Storehouse 2014 Anniversary Contest also gave me the freedom to follow my instincts. It will be exciting to see what poem gets paired with it, as it was a different process than the other remixes I’ve done, which begin with the poetry.


2. How is The Poetry Storehouse different from or similar to other resources you have used for your remix work?


LHE:
Other remix resources I’ve had experience with are Freesound, Flickr Creative Commons and the Internet Archive. I find my experimental work is more successful when paired with a narrative, and poetry helps to inspire me to produce an experience based on the words I encounter on the page. I try to transform imagery, sound and audio effects with a strong narrative voice to hopefully create an altered meaning. Without a license to use the poetry the filmmaker has more production work to do, so Poetry Storehouse alleviates time and energy on what sometimes can be a lengthy process.

Poetry Storehouse’s model is fantastic because it’s free of any license to use the material and is an inclusive community of people who love poetry and want to see the audience for it expand. It’s a progressive idea to make poetry more accessible by marrying audio-visual techniques with narration to create a multimedia experience. We are a visual society and the synchronicity of the mediums can create a successful partnership. But I can also see how it could be gut-wrenching for the poets and I try to stay sensitive to their work.


3. What specific elements do you look for when you browse offerings at The Storehouse (or, what is your advice to poets submitting to The Storehouse)?


LHE:
I look for poems that resonate with me and I can potentially make a social commentary. Instead of going on a rant about a problem, for instance; trying to find a workman who can fix things in my 1920’s house, I was actually able to articulate my own experiences through a James Reiss poem, A Day in Ohio. Michael Dickes’ gritty voice had the perfect tone to deliver the narration and I merged my own footage with what I found on Internet Archive to say exactly how I felt about the matter, and although it may be a bit more of a literal depiction, I made my commentary nonetheless.


4. Talk about how the remixing process comes together for you — for example, does your inspiration start with a poem, or with specific footage, for which you then seek a poem? How does sound play into the picture for you?


LHE:
I always start with my mood and a poem that seems to fit it, or what’s happening at the moment. I’m constantly shooting new material because I also use my smart phone everyplace I go. I’ve always been a believer that creativity isn’t about the tool—it’s about an idea. If I see something, I stop and shoot immediately. Recently, I shot footage of two fish tanks at a local hospital when I was there for routine tests. At the same time we were bombarded by news reports about the outbreak of the Ebola virus. When I read Tara Skurtu’s poem Some Days Begin Like This, again it just jumped off the page for me. I immediately felt I could place it up against the fish tank imagery because the concept emulated my feeling about being in a fishbowl. I emotionally sensed the poem, having myself been in the hospital feeling somewhat anxious about the potential results. So far it’s my favorite piece, along with As Is. I was so happy to hear Tara Skurtu say that she “loved the remix.” I feel a responsibility to honor the poet and it’s terrific to get feedback, either way because I can learn more about the process and the audience’s reception.

I’ve always felt sound is extremely important, but I save it to the end. I play with multiple tracks laid over each other and create whatever intuitively feels right to me. I think my love of imagery sometimes overtakes the time I spend on the audio component.


5. Most Storehouse remixers are video-makers who combine a poem with video footage and a soundtrack, but all in very different styles. What have you learned from seeing how other remixers work?


LHE:
I’m new to this genre and am humbled by the great work of the poets and filmmakers. So far I’ve tended to produce more abstract work, but I’ve seen smart Storehouse films that showcase people and I’d like to include more people/figures into future remixes. Since I interview people so much for documentary work, I tend to move in a different direction for the remixes. Poetry Storehouse and Moving Poems are my go-to places for my personal educational awareness and to see new film poems, both on their websites and Facebook. There is just so much material to review and the articles, films and discussion are highly inspiring. I initially came to enjoy the genre three years ago after seeing a screening of several Nathaniel Dorsky films, which are without sound. I find the genre to be spiritual, lyrical and utterly sublime. I watch and make poetry films to stimulate creativity and to partake in a spiritual, “Zen-like” journey.


6. Is there anything else you would like to say about your Poetry Storehouse experience (or anything related)?


LHE:
I would like to encourage poets and others to provide narration for poetry remixes. I dislike my voice, so I prefer to not to record my own narrative. The Storehouse is a wonderful asset and I’m thrilled to be part of a community of talented and serious artists and poets. I was welcomed with open arms from the very beginning and since I started remixing, Nic S., Dave Bonta and the Storehouse poets have been very encouraging and supportive. Poetry Storehouse is a true gift to me, and I look forward to many more collaborations in the future, as well as finding ways to give back to the community.